{"id":50158,"date":"2021-02-09T13:43:40","date_gmt":"2021-02-09T12:43:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/angela-grossmann-i-can-learn-a-lot-from-so-called-disabled-people\/"},"modified":"2022-08-17T14:33:37","modified_gmt":"2022-08-17T12:33:37","slug":"angela-grossmann-i-can-learn-a-lot-from-so-called-disabled-people","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/en\/angela-grossmann-i-can-learn-a-lot-from-so-called-disabled-people\/","title":{"rendered":"Angela Grossmann: \u00abI can learn a lot from so-called disabled people.\u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Happy moments were rare in the past two months. If I had looked for them, I don&#8217;t know if I would have found them. So it was a moment of happiness that began with laughter and smiles. A moment that brought me and photographer Paolo Foschini light-heartedness and happiness and that helped us have a wonderful encounter.<\/p>\n\n<!--more-->\n\n<p>For the photo session with Angela Grossmann, the managing director of the Vivendra Foundation, we drove to Dielsdorf in Zurich Unterland, installed ourselves in the guest house \u00abSonne\u00bb and in addition to our interview partner, we met Laura and Luna. The women with special needs work in the service department of the restaurant and are supervised by gastronomy professionals as well as work educators. They entertain guests, take orders and cash in. They explain the menu of the day, advise on the choice of drinks and the sequence of the dishes. And they both do it with great cordiality.<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-die-sonne-ein-leuchtturmprojekt\">The \u00abSonne\u00bb guest house is a project with a social background.<\/h2>\n\n<p>Angela Grossmann is happy about our enthusiasm. In addition to the guest house, the shop \u00abSunne\u00bb as well as the school \u00ab15plus\u00bb are located in the impressive building. It offers young people individual, academic and practical life support as well as assistance in growing up and finding a suitable career. \u00abWe enable active participation in various activities with direct client contact. This makes \u00abSonne\u00bb with its many offers an integrative project\u00bb, says Angela Grossmann.<\/p>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_Trio-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"Luna, Angela Grossmann, Martin Schuppli\" class=\"wp-image-29269\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_Trio-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_Trio-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_Trio.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>With her cheerful nature, Luna inspires the guests. Angela Grossmann (centre) and Martin Schuppli enjoy the moment of carefree joy. (Photo: Paolo Foschini)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-mit-spenden-nachhaltiges-angebot-weiterf-hren\">Supporting the continuation of a sustainable offer with donations<\/h2>\n\n<p>Important to know: The guest house is primarily not subsidised and the foundation runs it at its own risk. \u00abWe are making an important contribution to society and are particularly dependent on donations. The \u00abSonne\u00bb is still in deficit and Corona has exacerbated this situation. We need help, i.e. donations, so that this programme can be continued sustainably.\u00bb<\/p>\n\n<p>The Vivendra Foundation, founded in 1965 as the \u00abSchulheim Dielsdorf Foundation for f\u00fcr Cerebral Palsy\u00bb, provides quality of life in its facilities and promotes holistic development and integration. It values physical and mental well-being, offers space for learning, living, education, work, leisure and culture. The people who are admitted to the boarding school or residential home find a home in a social community at the Vivendra Foundation. Education, therapy, care and nursing are adapted to each person&#8217;s individual needs. That&#8217;s what the vision states.<\/p>\n\n<p>Angela Grossmann nods. She has been working at the Foundation since 2009, since 2018 as Managing Director: \u00abI trained as a nurse and later studied social pedagogy in Hamburg. During my studies I always worked as a nurse. The job was a joy and I don&#8217;t remember anything ever becoming too much for me.\u00bb<\/p>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"Angela Grossmann\" class=\"wp-image-29265\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>\u00abI can learn a lot from so-called disabled people.\u00bb, says Angela Grossmann. (Photo: Paolo Foschini)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-ethische-themen-interessierten-immer-mehr\">Ethical issues attract ever more attention<\/h2>\n\n<p>After studying in Hamburg, Angela Grossmann moved to Switzerland. At that time, she felt closer to the nursing profession than to that of a social pedagogue. And so she started working at the University Hospital of Zurich in the cardiac surgery department. During this time, she completed with great passion various technical and management training courses. Over time, she became interested in ethical issues and became involved in the hospital&#8217;s internal ethics group in the quality circle and took on leadership functions.<\/p>\n\n<p>\u00abI increasingly came into contact with people with disabilities who had been operated on at the University Hospital of Zurich due to heart defects. The desire in me grew to engage with people with mental or multiple disabilities\u00bb, says Angela Grossmann.<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-vielleicht-sind-wir-normalen-manchmal-viel-eingeschr-nkter\">\u00abMaybe we \u2039normals\u203a are sometimes much more limited.\u00bb<\/h2>\n\n<p>\u00abI am aware\u00bb, says Angela Grossmann, \u00abthat I can learn a lot from these so-called disabled people. I get to know people who \u2039see\u203a with their hearts. Just as Antoine de Saint-Exup\u00e9ry wrote in \u2039The Little Prince\u203a. Seeing with the heart is a different perception, not a limitation of perception.\u00bb She pauses. She lets the words sink in and then says: \u00abMaybe we so-called normal people are sometimes much more limited in some ways.\u00bb<\/p>\n\n<p>Asked about a heart&#8217;s desire, Angela Grossmann says: \u00abWe should really get involved with people who can&#8217;t put themselves in such a glamorous light in our \u00abglossy world\u00bb, who are not so privileged, who have perhaps been less fortunate in life and for whom there is no lobby.\u00bb Short pause. Then she immediately adds what she has trouble with: \u00abstereotyped thinking, stigmatisation, prejudices, generalisations.\u00bb<\/p>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Portraet2-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"Angela Grossman, Managing director Vivendra, Dielsdoirf ZH\" class=\"wp-image-29257\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Portraet2-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Portraet2-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Portraet2.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Angela Grossman: \u00abWe make offers to the residents to the best of our knowledge and belief and this is a permanent process of reflection, dialogue and debate.\u00bb (Photo: Paolo Foschini)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-wer-ist-denn-normal\">Who is normal then?<\/h2>\n\n<p>Once again, we touch on the topic of \u00abwho is normal then\u00bb. Angela Grossmann has trouble with the \u00abprinciple of normalisation\u00bb. She asks herself who had the power to define what constitutes normal and what does not. The residents of the external residential groups, for example, need less support, and so her and her team constantly ask themselves: What form of support and accompaniment is adequate?<\/p>\n\n<p>\u00abThere are so-called \u2039secondary disabilities\u203a\u00bb, says Angela Grossmann and specifies: &#8220;This may sound harsh &#8211; people are made \u2039disabled\u203a because too much is taken from them or too little is expected of them. There are many areas of tension and balancing acts in the work for and with disabled people.\u00bb<\/p>\n\n<p>Angela Grossmann: \u00abWe make offers to the best of our knowledge and this is a permanent process of reflection, dialogue and debate\u00bb. \u00abWe enable communication and support communication. That means we try to give everyone the opportunity to express themselves. And that is often a step and key to independence, self-determination and equal opportunities.\u00bb In doing so, all available means of expression and communication are included: Facial expressions, gestures, body language, signs, voice, sounds, electronic and non-electronic aids.<\/p>\n\n<p>In interdisciplinary work, coordination is very important. The relatives also play an important role. Angela Grossmann: \u00abWe started a foundation band a few years ago and were even able to organise some gigs. It was great to see how everyone could participate regardless of their level of disability. The community and life in it are a great resource. We \u2013 the so-called healthy or the normal \u2013 can learn a lot.<\/p>\n\n<p>I have also been impressed time and again by severe courses of illness and the ability to cope with illness or the ability to cope with goodbyes.\u00bb<\/p>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Geste3-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"Angela Grossmann, Managing director Vivendra Foundation\" class=\"wp-image-29277\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Geste3-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Geste3-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Geste3.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Angela Grossmann: \u00abWe started a foundation band a few years ago and were even able to organise some gigs. It was great to see how everyone could participate regardless of their level of disability.\u00bb (Photo: Paolo Foschini)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-den-tod-als-finale-des-lebens-verstehen\">Understanding death as the end of life<\/h2>\n\n<p><strong>And how do you deal with caring for people who are severely disabled and\/or terminally ill. How does experiencing death up close affect you?<\/strong><br\/>I would say that I have integrated and accepted these two aspects as part of life. I like the description: the human being is final or prefinal. That means for me in the end of life, the big orchestra, the big drumbeat.\u00bb<\/p>\n\n<p><strong>What does this mean?<br\/><\/strong>I advocate for an accompaniment that corresponds to the wishes and the life of the person who is leaving \u2013 it can also be an unconventional one.<\/p>\n\n<p><strong>For relatives and\/or those accompanying the person leaving, this is often not so easy to bear, I think.<br\/><\/strong>That is true. We often have ideas that death and terminal care are holding hands, that they happen peacefully and by candlelight. But that is not so, or not always. Everyone dies their own death.<\/p>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Geste2-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"Angela Grossmann, Managing director Vivendra Foundation\" class=\"wp-image-29253\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Geste2-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Geste2-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/BLOG_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Geste2.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Angela Grossmann: \u00abWe are guided by the principle that residents can grow old here. However, we cannot guarantee that they will remain here until death under all circumstances.\u00bb (Photo: Paolo Foschini)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-wir-versuchen-alles-m-gliche-m-glich-zu-machen\">\u00abWe try to make everything possible.\u00bb<\/h2>\n\n<p><strong>The residents can live in the foundation until they start their final journey. Vivendra offers a home, a high quality of life. The foundation provides education, jobs and housing. Angela Grossmann, how do you finance these extensive services?<\/strong><br\/>We are mainly financed by cantonal operating contributions, contributions from municipalities, income from services as well as donations. They play a big role. This enables us to provide services that are not covered by state contributions. For example: Special projects or purchases, excursions and\/or holiday camps, resource purchases that are not financed by the invalidity pension, as well as ensuring an infrastructure suitable for disabled people.<\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Residents can stay at the foundation until the end of their lives.<\/strong><br\/>Yes. We are guided by the concept that residents can grow old here. However, the foundation is not a caregiving institution in the true sense of the word. We can therefore not guarantee a stay until death. We have mainly agogic staff and cannot charge any nursing services via the Health Insurance Law (KVG). But we try to make everything possible.\u00bb<\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Angela Grossmann, we both know that life is temporary. It can end at any time. Does this knowledge influence your everyday life, your dealings with loved ones, with friends?<\/strong><br\/>Sometimes more and sometimes less. Not always taking yourself so seriously, more serenity, being able to let go. I am sometimes \u2039curious\u203a about the moment when I will die. I know it will happen at some point and wonder what it will feel like. It remains a mystery.<\/p>\n\n<p><strong>One&#8217;s own death is one thing \u2026<br\/><\/strong>\u2026 exactly. In the sense of: You die your own death, but you have to live with the death of others. I am more afraid of the death of loved ones around me.<\/p>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Duo-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"Angela Grossmann, Managing director Vivendra Foundation\" class=\"wp-image-29249\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Duo-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Duo-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.deinadieu.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Blog_Vivendra_AngelaGrossmann_Duo.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>In conversation: Angela Grossmann, Managing director Vivendra and DeinAdieu author Martin Schuppli. (Photo: Paolo Foschini)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n<p><strong>And have you put your own things \u00abin order\u00bb?<\/strong><br\/>Yes &#8211; I have designated three people whom I trust, who know me very well and who will make decisions for me when I can no longer do so myself. This is a so-called \u00abvalues disposition\u00bb. I don&#8217;t want this burden to be carried by one person alone, so it&#8217;s three people who all know each other and who I know will decide in my interest.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-right\">Text: Martin Schuppli, Photos: Paolo Foschini<\/p>\n\n        <div class=\"da-servicebox relative bg-gray-200 p-4 pt-8 border-solid border-t-8 border-da-dark mb-6\">\n            <i class=\"fas fa-info-circle mx-auto fa-7x text-da-dark\"><\/i>\n            <span style=\"hyphens: auto\">\n                <\/p>\n\n<p>Infobox<\/p>\n\n<p>The Vivendra Foundation in Dielsdorf ZH is a partner of DeinAdieu. 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